i don't want to give advice to those guys because look, first of all, romney and obama, both of them are very skilled and very smart and they have maybe political differences in how to approach the problems, but -- >> what was your strategy, then, in debates? >> to be as honest as possible and not to drop a lot of numbers and facts and statistics because people don't remember that. you've got to be able to look right into the screen and to communicate with the people and to grab the people and draw them in to your world, into your concerns, so that they understand what needs to be done in the future and how important it is to try to do everything that you can to bring both of the parties together, because no party and no ideology has really the lock on all the problems, solving all the problems and the solutions and all that. so everyone, it always works best when both of the parties work together. that's what is missing in washington right now and what i want to hear in the debates is not just here's what we need to do, because that's a no-brainer, that we need to fix our infrastruc